{"id":10060,"date":"2024-07-31T11:01:36","date_gmt":"2024-07-31T09:01:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/?p=10060"},"modified":"2024-07-31T11:01:38","modified_gmt":"2024-07-31T09:01:38","slug":"ingen-ara-i-att-do-for-en-romare","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/2024\/07\/31\/ingen-ara-i-att-do-for-en-romare\/","title":{"rendered":"Ingen \u00e4ra i att d\u00f6 f\u00f6r en romare"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"is-style-intro\">Ov\u00e4ntad kunskap d\u00e5 man t\u00e4nker p\u00e5 romarriket ibland<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>F\u00f6r n\u00e5gon vecka sedan lyssnade jag p\u00e5 podden &#8221;bilningspodden&#8221; i vad som visade sig vara en repris fr\u00e5n 2022. Antikhistorikerna Lovisa Br\u00e4nnstedt och Ida \u00d6stenberg fick ge en introduktion till den historiska perioden antiken och d\u00e4r precis p\u00e5 slutet kom det n\u00e5got v\u00e4ldigt sp\u00e4nnande.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jag vet tyv\u00e4rr inte om det var Lovisa Br\u00e4nnstedt eller Ida \u00d6stenberg som sade det eftersom jag inte \u00e4r s\u00e4ker p\u00e5 vilken r\u00f6st som h\u00f6rde till vem i samtalet men i slutet av podden skulle den ena av dem sammanfatta vad hon l\u00e4rt sig om antiken under alla sina \u00e5r av studier!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hon ber\u00e4ttade att hon hade \u00e4gnat mycket tid \u00e5t att unders\u00f6ka hur romarna hade hanterat nederlag i strid. Det lite \u00f6verraskande svaret var att &#8221;det gjorde de inte, de erk\u00e4nde sig aldrig besegrade&#8221;. De fortsatte bara kriget med nya soldater tills de hade vunnit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Man hyllade segern som ett av sina absolut h\u00f6gsta ideal och man kunde i stort sett som jag f\u00f6rstod det inte heller hitta n\u00e5gra avbildningar av d\u00f6da romerska soldater. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bland grekerna kunde det som kontrast f\u00f6rekomma skildringar av hj\u00e4ltars heroiska nederlag och \u00e4ven en f\u00f6rlust kunde skildras som ett \u00e4delt och stort d\u00e5d. Men allts\u00e5 inte bland romarna. Det fanns ingen som helst \u00e4ra i att d\u00f6.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Som pr\u00e4st t\u00e4nker jag f\u00f6rst\u00e5s p\u00e5 hur den kristna tron m\u00e5ste stuckit av totalt mot den inst\u00e4llningen d\u00e5 den b\u00f6rjade sprida sig i romarriket. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u00e4r skildrar man ju en m\u00e4rklig blandning av \u00e5 ena sidan d\u00f6d och nederlag och samtidigt seger i och med uppst\u00e5ndelsen. Det m\u00e5ste finnas m\u00e5nga aspekter p\u00e5 hur det tedde sig men som sagt, verkligen en stark kontrast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Har du som l\u00e4ser n\u00e5gra reflektioner kring detta? 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