{"id":5000,"date":"2016-08-03T07:00:43","date_gmt":"2016-08-03T05:00:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/?p=5000"},"modified":"2016-08-02T21:18:58","modified_gmt":"2016-08-02T19:18:58","slug":"luthers-bordssamtal-for-dummies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/2016\/08\/03\/luthers-bordssamtal-for-dummies\/","title":{"rendered":"Luthers bordssamtal for dummies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5001\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/files\/2016\/08\/DSC_0440.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5001\" class=\"size-full wp-image-5001\" src=\"http:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/files\/2016\/08\/DSC_0440.jpg\" alt=\"(Playmobil-)Luthers bordssamtal.\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/files\/2016\/08\/DSC_0440.jpg 640w, https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/files\/2016\/08\/DSC_0440-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/files\/2016\/08\/DSC_0440-451x300.jpg 451w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-5001\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">(Playmobil-)Luthers bordssamtal.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&#8221;Luthers bordssamtal&#8221; \u00e4r en bok som jag h\u00f6rt mycket talas om genom \u00e5ren. Ofta n\u00e4r n\u00e5gon velat ber\u00e4tta om hur rolig Luther kunde vara. Nu har jag d\u00e5 till slut l\u00e4st en liten tunn volym med n\u00e5gra utdrag fr\u00e5n saker Luther sagt mellan sk\u00e5l och v\u00e4gg vid sitt matsalsbord d\u00e4rhemma.<\/p>\n<p>Det d\u00e4r med &#8221;bordssamtal&#8221; \u00e4r verkligen bokstavligen sant f\u00f6r det r\u00f6r sig om s\u00e5dant bordsg\u00e4sterna (studenter och andra som bodde l\u00e4ngre eller kortare tid i Martin och K\u00e4the Luthers hush\u00e5ll i det gamla augustinerklostret i Wittenberg) skrivit ner f\u00f6r att komma ih\u00e5g. Man kan g\u00e4rna se framf\u00f6r sig hur unga m\u00e4n satt och s\u00f6g i sig varje ord fr\u00e5n Luthers mun f\u00f6r vid det laget var han ju en vida ber\u00f6md man. Det finns i sj\u00e4lva verket ett enormt stort material med Lutherord om allt m\u00f6jligt och det jag l\u00e4st \u00e4r allts\u00e5 ett urval.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luther uttalar sig allts\u00e5 om allt<\/strong> fr\u00e5n de dramatiska h\u00e4ndelserna kring honom sj\u00e4lv och reformationen, till att tala illa om p\u00e5ven, turkarna, Erasmus av Rotterdam, andra k\u00e4nda personer och en hel del v\u00e4nner och medreformatorer. Till slut kommer han in p\u00e5 \u00e4ktenskapet (som han h\u00e5ller oerh\u00f6rt h\u00f6gt men utan att blunda f\u00f6r hur sv\u00e5rt det kan vara) och en hel del ganska spridda tankar om b\u00e5de det ena och det andra. Det \u00e4r inte allt som \u00e4r riktigt s\u00e5d\u00e4r roligt som jag f\u00f6rest\u00e4llt mig men s\u00e5 \u00e4r det ju ocks\u00e5 framf\u00f6rallt en intressant inblick i en annan tid.<\/p>\n<p>Jag ska inte skriva j\u00e4ttemycket mer om detta utan plockar helt enkelt n\u00e5gra citat ur boken som belysande exempel p\u00e5 hur det kan l\u00e5ta n\u00e4r Luther talar. Som detta allm\u00e4nna visdomsord:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8221;En l\u00f6gn \u00e4r som en sn\u00f6boll. Ju l\u00e4ngre man rullar den, desto st\u00f6rre blir den&#8221;. (okt-nov 1532)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Eller n\u00e4r han likt Jesus ser p\u00e5 himlens f\u00e5glar och tar det som utg\u00e5ngspunkt f\u00f6r att fundera p\u00e5 oss m\u00e4nniskor och Gud:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8221;En kv\u00e4ll kom tv\u00e5 sm\u00e5f\u00e5glar flygande och byggde sitt bo i doktorns tr\u00e4dg\u00e5rd. Men de skr\u00e4mdes st\u00e4ndigt bort av dem som gick f\u00f6rbi. D\u00e5 sade Luther: &#8221;Herr Schlaginhaufen, f\u00e5glarna tror inte, att jag av hj\u00e4rtat unnar dem att bo h\u00e4r och att jag inte vill g\u00f6ra dem n\u00e5got illa. <strong>P\u00e5 samma s\u00e4tt tror vi inte p\u00e5 v\u00e5r Gud, som unnar och ger oss allt gott.<\/strong> Han vill inte f\u00f6rg\u00f6ra oss, han som gett ut sin son f\u00f6r oss&#8221; (11 juni 1532, Johannes Schlaginhaufen)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Att h\u00e5na de &#8221;p\u00e5viska&#8221; teologerna \u00e4r f\u00f6rst\u00e5s en favoritsyssla. H\u00e4r g\u00f6r han det p\u00e5 ett r\u00e4tt dr\u00e5pligt s\u00e4tt:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8221;Jag \u00e4r rikare \u00e4n alla p\u00e5viska teologer i v\u00e4rlden, ty jag \u00e4r n\u00f6jd. Dessutom har jag tre \u00e4kta barn. <strong>Det har inte n\u00e5gon p\u00e5vlig teolog<\/strong>.&#8221; (mars-april 1532)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Sista exemplet f\u00e5r vara det h\u00e4r d\u00e4r han talar om astronomin. Som du m\u00e4rker t\u00e4nker han sig att allt snurrar kring jorden (l\u00e4s mer om detta under &#8221;<a href=\"http:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/2014\/07\/02\/den-egocentriska-varldsbilden\/\">den egocentriska v\u00e4rldsbilden<\/a>&#8221;, en gammal favoritbloggpost):<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8221;D\u00e4rp\u00e5 talade Luther om den trefaldiga himlar\u00f6relsen: Den f\u00f6rsta \u00e4r urr\u00f6relsen och sv\u00e4ngningen av himmelssf\u00e4ren, <strong>som en \u00e4ngel kanske s\u00e4tter i en s\u00e5dan snabb r\u00f6relse. P\u00e5 24 timmar vrider sig hela himlamaskinen i ett nu ungef\u00e4r 1000 mil. Det \u00e4r underligt<\/strong>, hur firmamentets v\u00e4ldiga maskin sv\u00e4ngs runt p\u00e5 s\u00e5 kort tid&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>L\u00e4s g\u00e4rna bordssamtalen om du f\u00e5r tillf\u00e4lle. En l\u00e4ttl\u00e4st liten bok som kanske p\u00e5 m\u00e5nga s\u00e4tt \u00e4r ganska m\u00e4rklig men ocks\u00e5 v\u00e4ldigt fascinerande.<\/p>\n<p>Har du l\u00e4st boken? Skriv g\u00e4rna en kommentar vare sig eller!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; &#8221;Luthers bordssamtal&#8221; \u00e4r en bok som jag h\u00f6rt mycket talas om genom \u00e5ren. Ofta n\u00e4r n\u00e5gon velat ber\u00e4tta om hur rolig Luther kunde vara. Nu har jag d\u00e5 till slut l\u00e4st en liten tunn volym med n\u00e5gra utdrag fr\u00e5n saker Luther sagt mellan sk\u00e5l och v\u00e4gg vid sitt matsalsbord d\u00e4rhemma. 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