{"id":722,"date":"2013-02-08T09:10:00","date_gmt":"2013-02-08T08:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/2013\/02\/08\/bevis-pa-guds-existens\/"},"modified":"2013-02-08T09:10:00","modified_gmt":"2013-02-08T08:10:00","slug":"bevis-pa-guds-existens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogg.svenskakyrkan.se\/vandravagen\/2013\/02\/08\/bevis-pa-guds-existens\/","title":{"rendered":"Bevis p\u00e5 Guds existens"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<table align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-WOPhBfUtIro\/Tyk_MK4hhSI\/AAAAAAAAAD4\/R-Azd7jCsWs\/s1600\/britishraj_indianservant2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"266\" src=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-WOPhBfUtIro\/Tyk_MK4hhSI\/AAAAAAAAAD4\/R-Azd7jCsWs\/s400\/britishraj_indianservant2.jpg\" width=\"400\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Utnyttjande av andra \u00e4r vi nog \u00f6verens om \u00e4r ont. Om inte annat n\u00e4r det drabbar oss sj\u00e4lva&#8230;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Jag har n\u00e4mnt en del om olika Gudsbevis i tidigare bloggposter. Generellt sett \u00e4r jag skeptisk till att man egentligen skulle kunna bevisa Guds existens s\u00e5 att det blir om\u00f6jligt f\u00f6r n\u00e5gon annan att inte h\u00e5lla med, v\u00e5ra trosf\u00f6rest\u00e4llningar beror dessutom p\u00e5 s\u00e5 mycket mer \u00e4n blotta f\u00f6rnuftet. \u00c5 andra sidan g\u00e4ller omv\u00e4nt att ingen ateist kan bevisa Guds ickeexistens p\u00e5 n\u00e5got tvingande s\u00e4tt heller. Slutsatsen av detta \u00e4r att i grund och botten \u00e4r det en slags tro b\u00e5de teist och ateist h\u00e5ller p\u00e5 med, i alla fall i betydelsen f\u00f6rsanth\u00e5llande man inte kan bevisa.<\/p>\n<p>Jag h\u00f6rde en g\u00e5ng Anders Piltz (tror jag, m\u00f6jligen var det Ulf Jonsson) tala om gudsbevis i teologiska rummet i p1. Han beskrev sin tro som att han hade nappat p\u00e5 ett erbjudande. Jesus g\u00f6r anspr\u00e5k p\u00e5 att vara den som visar oss Guds r\u00e4tta ansikte och om vi nappar p\u00e5 &#8221;erbjudandet&#8221; forts\u00e4tter v\u00e5rt sanningss\u00f6kande utifr\u00e5n det. Ifall vi kan veta n\u00e5got om Gud beror det n\u00e4mligen p\u00e5 att Gud v\u00e4ljer att ge sig tillk\u00e4nna, inte p\u00e5 att vi lyckas n\u00e5 fram till Gud med v\u00e4ssat intellekt.<\/p>\n<p>Hur som helst \u00e4r en del &#8221;gudsbevis&#8221; mycket intressanta som argument betraktat. Ett jag framf\u00f6rallt brukar t\u00e4nka p\u00e5 \u00e4r det &#8221;moraliska gudsbeviset&#8221;. Argumentet ser ut s\u00e5 h\u00e4r:<\/p>\n<p>1, Det finns objektiva moraliska v\u00e4rden (gott och ont, r\u00e4tt och fel)<br \/>2, Objektiva moraliska v\u00e4rden f\u00f6ruts\u00e4tter att det finns en m\u00e5ttstock utanf\u00f6r m\u00e4nniskan sj\u00e4lv som s\u00e4tter standarden. Till exempel Gud.<br \/>3, Allts\u00e5 finns Gud eller n\u00e5got annat \u00f6vernaturligt som f\u00f6rklarar moralens existens.<\/p>\n<p>Jag tror att f\u00f6r de flesta postmoderna m\u00e4nniskor \u00e4r det punkt 1 som v\u00e4cker mest inv\u00e4ndningar. Finns det verkligen objektiva moraliska v\u00e4rden? Det f\u00e5r du forts\u00e4tta t\u00e4nka p\u00e5 men jag menar definitivt att det \u00e4r s\u00e5. Det finns givetvis mycket i moraliska f\u00f6rest\u00e4llningar som v\u00e4xlar mellan olika kulturer men ocks\u00e5 s\u00e5dant som \u00e4r sig likt. Framf\u00f6rallt LEVER ALLA M\u00c4NNISKOR SOM OM det fanns objektiva moraliska v\u00e4rden. \u00c4ven om en del skulle s\u00e4ga emot det rent intellektuellt s\u00e5 \u00e4r det annat n\u00e4r livet drabbar. Att en oskyldig blir d\u00f6md till d\u00f6den, det reagerar vi alla p\u00e5 som n\u00e5got ont. Att r\u00e4ttvisan segrar p\u00e5 slutet reagerar vi alla p\u00e5 som n\u00e5got gott. N\u00e4r det kommer till kritan lever vi i vardagen som att moral var p\u00e5 riktigt allihop.<\/p>\n<p>I filmen nedan l\u00e4gger Peter Kreeft ut texten lite mer om argumentet. Lyssna och t\u00e4nk.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>Vad s\u00e4ger du om argumentet?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Utnyttjande av andra \u00e4r vi nog \u00f6verens om \u00e4r ont. Om inte annat n\u00e4r det drabbar oss sj\u00e4lva&#8230; Jag har n\u00e4mnt en del om olika Gudsbevis i tidigare bloggposter. 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